Legal Question in Credit and Debt Law in California

I recieved a phone call from a law office in New York. They stated that I was going to be sued for more than 5000 dollars from a pay day loan that was not paid off. To my knowledge, any loans I took out in the time that they are stating I paid off. They are saying i am going to have charges of fraud, theft, and something else. They stated that the charges will be filed tomorrow morning in my county courthouse. When I asked which courthouse, what the address was or for the number of the creditor, all I got told was that it would be filed tomorrow morning, and that they couldn't give me the number of the creditor. They said that it was an online payday loan, which I don't recall doing an online payday loan. I recall getting denied for one because I didn't have a proper checking account. They called twice today. After giving me the run around, and me trying to get any legitimate information out of them, they hung up on me twice. The second time, they hung up on me stating that this will be filed, and I will be served a summons and subpeona by law officers at my place of employment, and residence and they will "drag" me down to the courthouse. I know that they can't serve both, and they can't drag me to the courthouse unless it is an arrest warrant. What worries me about this is they have the last four of my social, me previous employer, my previous address, my phone number, my full name, and my email address. They did say that they have been trying to reach me by email, and I monitor my email, but anything that looks like junk I immediately delete. Should I be worried about this, or is this just one of those scams?


Asked on 4/06/11, 1:12 pm

3 Answers from Attorneys

Joe Marman Law Office of Joseph Marman

Ask for their address and only communicate in writing.

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Answered on 4/06/11, 1:24 pm
David Gibbs The Gibbs Law Firm, APC

Our firm has been a victim of this. It is very likely that this is a scam. Someone claiming to be an "investigator" with our firm was calling people and telling them that they owed money on some debt, and that if it was not paid immediately, that a lawsuit would be filed with the County Courthouse. We only got wind of it because a few of the people threatened took the time to look up our firm on the internet and called our offices to complain about the collection tactics we allegedly used. The person who made the calls had no connection to our firm, and was calling through a call center in Anaheim. We had a friend in the D.A.'s office do some checking, and the call center was just a number forwarding service for calls being placed from outside the U.S.. There was little we could do except field angry phone calls. The tactics you discuss in your post sound exactly like the ones that this scammer was attributing to our firm. If you wrote down the firm name, look them up and call their legitimate offices. My guess is that this is all a big scam. They were trying to get people's bank account information by forcing you to make a payment over the phone.

You are correct - in a civil matter (and, failing to repay a payday loan is at its worst a civil matter), you cannot be dragged into court by law enforcement. Call the firm and see if they know anything about it. If they do not, you may want to give them the details you have as you are probably not the first, and from experience I can say not the last person that will be calling them about this scam. If this is legitimate, find out who has been making the calls as they are violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act by calling and making these false threats. Good luck nailing these idiots!

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Answered on 4/06/11, 1:29 pm

This is a very popular con game these days. Criminals are going around and setting up "boiler rooms" to make these calls to anyone they can get information on from anywhere on the web. Legitimate collection agencies would never say those kinds of things because they can be sued for a lot of money if they violate any of the various fair debt collection practices laws. Threatening to have you arrested by itself is enough for you to sue a legitimate creditor. Rather than worry about the debt, however, you probably should worry about identity theft. If they have enough information to pull this scam on you, they may have enough to do other things. Pull a credit report immediately and make sure neither that nor any of your bank or credit card accounts show any unusual or unauthorized activity.

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Answered on 4/06/11, 4:41 pm


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