Legal Question in Employment Law in California

Profit Sharing

The company I worked at recently went out of business and closed. We had a profit sharing plan which was qualified under IRS 401(a). The last statment I received was about 3 yrs ago. To my knowledge the policy was you would get 1/2 of your vested interest when you quit or were fired and 1/2 after 1 year.

It is getting close to 30 days since they closed and I have not heard anything about this. I know some other employees were given amounts from Oct.31 2002 statements so I had some idea about how much mine should be. Is it normal for it to take this long? Am I required to ask for it? Do I have any control over how the money is invested or where and when it will be rolled over?

Starting to feel shades of ENRON.


Asked on 9/17/03, 10:20 pm

2 Answers from Attorneys

Terry A. Nelson Nelson & Lawless

Re: Profit Sharing

You should contact the company and strongly request answers to your questions. Then, if you don't believe what you are being told, or don't believe they will pay you, it is time to involve an attorney to try to ensure you get paid, timely. The concern is that they don't have the money to pay, in which case you will have to take legal action against the company and its owners under ERISA rules.

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Answered on 9/18/03, 9:27 pm
Wayne Wisong Wayne Wisong, Attorney at Law

Re: Profit Sharing

I concur with what Mr. Nelson told you and would add a few things. As a 401(a) qualified plan, the money is not supposed to be in the company's hands, but in the hands of a trustee or insurance company. Sometimes the company is the trustee, but they are not supposed to commingle plan assets and company assets and the plan assets must not be available to pay the company's debts. If they touch that money, it is a federal crime.

It sounds like you have a "partial termination" here, which means if the employer terminates a substantial portion of their employees, they immediately become 100% vested.

In this situation, the company typically terminates the plan and distributes everything early. Sometimes, however, they appoint a successor plan administrator (typically a former corporate officer or a successor company that buys their assets) and continues the plan as a "wasting trust" until the money is gone.

If things start looking fishy, contact the U.S. Department of Labor, Employee Benefits Security Administration, which is the agency responsible for seeing things are done right here.

ERISA has been my primary area of practice for nearly 24 years. If you run into continuing problems, feel free to call me at (770) 534-1057, or you can e-mail me at [email protected]

Although I practice in Georgia, I have also been a member of the California Bar since 1979.

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Answered on 9/20/03, 1:14 pm


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